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I've found good results with Clojure and Elixir despite them being dynamic and niche.

Not really production level or agentic, but I've been impressed with LLMs for Haskell.

I think that while these langs are "niche" they still have quality web resources and codebases available for training.

I worry about new languages though. I guess maybe model training with synthetic data will become a requirement?

> I worry about new languages though. I guess maybe model training with synthetic data will become a requirement?

I read a (rather pessimistic) comment here yesterday claiming that the current generation of languages is most likely going to be the last, since the already existing corpus of code for training is going to trump any other possible feature the new language might introduce, and most of the code will be LLM generated anyways.

I've wondered to myself here and there if new languages wouldn't be specifically written for LLM agentic coding, and what that might look like.

I had the thought of an AI-specific bytecode a while ago, but since then it's seemed a little silly -- the only langs that work well with agentic coding are the major ones with big open-source corpuses and SO/reddit discussions to train on.

I also saw something about a bytecode for prompts, which again seems to miss the point -- natural language is the win here.

What is kind of mysterious about the whole thing is that LLMs aren't compilers yet they grok code really well. It's always been a mystery to me that tools weren't smarter and then with LLMs the tooling became smarter than the compiler, and yet ... if it actually was a compiler we could choose to instruct it with code and get deterministic results. Something about the chaos is the very value they provide.

Btw Datomic is free now that Nubank supports it (and runs a large bank on it).

There's also a fantastic kind of mini, FOSS, file-based Datomic-style Datalog DB that's not immutable called Datalevin. Uses the hyper-fast LMDB under the hood. It's called Datalevin. https://github.com/juji-io/datalevin

In the case of Datomic: https://docs.datomic.com/operation/excision.html

I agree with all of these except the emotional impact of war where though slower a novel or memoir might work best. Think "All Quiet on the Western Front." At the same time we do want images of the war and time for grounding.

Late comment but if technology brought down the price of food then people could spend less on food, more on other good and services. Or the same on higher quality food. You don't need an increasing population for that. The improvement in agriculture could mean some farmers would have to find other work. So you can have economic growth with a stagnant or falling population. And you can rather easily have economic growth on a per-capita basis with no overall GDP growth, like is common in Japan today.

About the farmer needing to change jobs, in the interview that is the subject of this thread Ilya Sutskever speaks with wonder about humans' ability to generalize their intelligence across different domains with very little training. Cheaper food prices could mean people eat out or order-in more and then some ex-farmers might enter restaurant or food preparation businesses. People would still be getting wealthier, even without the tailwind of a growing population.

Might want to read some Karl Polanyi.

I think there feeling is, you say you want us to build our products in the U.S. but then our essential workers aren't allowed in so it's an impossible demand.

Instead of extending hours in classrooms, which might feel like torture, what about no-tech libraries for individual work like homework? Or with a coffeeshop vibe. I'd personally say four hours a day but I'm guessing two might be what many found reasonable. If you finished your work early you could read what you'd like. Town and city libraries could be enlisted for this along with the school libraries, which might need to be expanded to fit all of these kids. Add sports and you get a serious full day for kids, not the kind of half day they have now in the U.S. That additionally lightens the load on working parents.

You may like to check out Iain McGilchrist's take on schizophrenia, which essentially he says is a relative excess of rationality ("if then else" thinking) and a deficit of reasonableness (as in sensible context inhabiting).

I shall have a read of that at some point.