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Wow, just wow. I live in Moscow and earn about 30K a year. 25 years old, 10 of them coding for money. Maths degree.


Moscow's supposed to be about as expensive to live in as the Bay Area or Manhattan from what I've read. Rents here in the Bay area are around $1400 for a 1 bedroom apartment. What are they in Moscow?


I pay around $1300 for a 1 bedroom apartment. This is a bit on the high side, but I like living in the city center, in summer it's almost European.


Salaries for grads outside of Moscow are probably half that - I think PHP coders in Kharkov, Ukraine for example would be pretty happy with 12-15K. QA positions could be as low as 8-10K.

And $1300 for a 1-bedroom in Moscow center...what can I say you got off light. All my friends had to go through realtors for $2K places (2-3 rooms through) near Kitai-Gorod.


How about $5K for 2 years experience PHP developer in Dnepr, Ukraine. I work for this now and my motivation is lost completely. May be I will try to relocate. Now i see even in Dnepropetrovsk salary for html coder for $10K and php dev $14K, but they require strong knowledge of all what can imagine, even speaking english. My bad, need better education.


Sounds to me like prime motivation for a startup. If you're not getting paid much, you have more motivation to try something a little risky to improve your lot in life.


Hey, my lot in life isn't too bad! :-) I launched a non-profit project that's fairly important to me (http://openphotovr.org) this winter. Now thinking about starting something else, for money, not sure what exactly.


The website doesn't work so well for me. It says it requires Flash (even though I have a Flash plugin installed).


Thanks. What browser and Flash version? Does this help: http://openphotovr.org/index.html?detectflash=false ?


What do people in that part of Moscow tend to pay for food, utilities, taxes, transportation...?


$30k + $1300/month rent?? Dang... Are other countries an option for you?


I lack the determination to pack up and move. :-( But I suspect I'll leave eventually. Don't know where.


In San Francisco, 1400 dollars will barely get you a studio (in the interesting parts of the city).


Yeah, sorry, I should have said, "South Bay Area" when I was quoting rent prices. I'm assuming things would be quite a bit more expensive in Palo Alto or San Fran. My quote was also based on a new grad wanting to live in El-Cheapo rent districts. If someone wants to, they can certainly pay $2000 a month for a rather nice one bedroom with a concierge at the desk in the South Bay.


You can get a studio in a nice part of town for a lot less than that.

Two years ago I had a great studio in downtown SF for $650. I can't imagine things have changed that much since then.


You cannot get a studio for $650 in any part of san francisco, much less a nice part. Just go to craig's list and do a search for apartments less than $650. ZERO results show up.


Manhattan ranges - 1br in the West Village goes for $1,950/month.


Good article about the experience of finding apartments:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/24/garden/24new.html?n=Top/Re...

Manhattan had a very successful policy of encouraging diversity by apartment subsidies (Mitchell-Lama). Otherwise, you restrict the area to only those who can "afford" it. I heard recently about someone who sold their apartment back to their rent-subsidized apartment building. A 3br on the Upper West Side. For $12,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell-Lama


My guess is that after taxes, but in the US they are usually talking about salary before taxex. So basically your $30K is about $40K here.


Are you saying that $30K is like $40K after taxes? It'd be closer to $55K, I think. Taxes are insane in the US (though nothing like northern Europe).


for a salary of $40K the taxes would be around 20-30% in the US depending on your family situation


Total taxes in the US on a $40K salary for a single person with no other income and no other deductions: about $4,200 (10.5%). The marginal tax rate is higher, of course, and state taxes will add a little, but not too much.


haha I actually make 40K... i think its significantly higher than that. All told I think i'll be paying around 12K. (MI.)


If you only make $40k and are paying 30% in taxes, you're doing something very wrong.


You are right. It was quite an exaggeration on my part. Its more like 21.5%.


I've payed less than that in income tax on income much greater than that. Legally, that is. According to H&R's calculator, you should be paying under $5k, and thats with no dependents or other similar deductions.


Is that before or after taxes?


After.




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