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> Like this problem is hard. I want free and open communication as much as the next person it's not so easy.

I want free and open communication as long as it does inconvenience me or those in power?

Also remember: public groups and channels on Telegram are public. You can join them and report them if you want.

What you cannot is join my family group and start judging my kids based on what they said one afternoon when they were angry.

The problem here is that because of journalists like these we now have to prepare to defend Telegram against authorities, because some well connected journalists said it was the next evil thing after Parler.

People believe this, just like they believe that MeWe is an alt-right hotspot (it is mostly ex-googleplusers discussing chili growing, general gardening, sharing landscape photos etc - unless maybe I haven't searched for the magic string that unlocks all the evil..?)

The result is that ordinary people shy away from newer, better technology and fall back to/stick with abusers line Facebook.

Yep. Facebook, the place that has hosted much more hate speech than any alternative platform I know of.



> I want free and open communication as long as it does inconvenience me or those in power?

I'll assume you mean doesn't but that's not at all what I'm saying. It's easy to take an absolute stance as long as your blind to or don't care about the consequences of it.

> What you cannot is join my family group and start judging my kids based on what they said one afternoon when they were angry.

What? I don't think I would want to be in your family group chats but regardless I'm specifically talking about huge public/semi-public spaces.

> The problem here is that because of journalists like these we now have to prepare to defend Telegram against authorities

Look this shit sucks. It's terrible that the same group of awful people that seem to poison everything they touch have been flocking to different corners of the internet trying to find a place that won't kick them out to self organize. As Facebook/Twitter/Reddit have shown you don't actually have to get rid of them at large just make a good-faith attempt.


> What? I don't think I would want to be in your family group chats but regardless I'm specifically talking about huge public/semi-public spaces.

The places are public. The police can go there. Even Telegram itself take down public groups that incite violence.

They just don't kick people out for describing themselves as retards.

This doesn't seem to be about "the same group of awful people that seem to poison everything they touch" anymore. Now they want to take away anything they don't feel they control thoroughly, hence the broad attacks on Telegram ans Signal.




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