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It isn’t just Eton - it’s many or most of the old British public schools. I went to one, and the scars run deep - as does the will to power and the desire to hurt others as I was hurt. It was a brutal environment, a panopticon in which you learned to bend systems and people to your will, in which you learned you had to stab your friend in the back before they did the same to you, as the rules of the game mandate it. Discipline was relentless, and was largely enforced through cooption of pupils. You were not a name, you were a number. The purpose was to churn out colonial administrators, who now have no colonies to go and quietly exercise their depravity out of view.

I’ve worked and am continuing to work on healing or soothing some of the wounds inflicted in my time at elite boarding schools - but I can’t say the same for the rest of my cohort, who are now generally busy running the U.K. or burning down rainforest for profit or whatever it is this week.



Roald Dahl's childhood biography Boy describes the incredible abuse he went through at Repton and an Old British primary school. Caning was a common punishment, love was never present, and fagging was an evil practice in which older boys were deputized to treat younger boys as slaves. There's a reason Dahl's fictional books so frequently feature kids getting revenge/justice against big bad adults (or giants, in the case of Sofie in The BFG).

Boarding schools for minors are generally bad, IMO. My parents both went to (and one also taught at) boarding schools in the US. By their accounts, such schools tend to attract perverted or power-hungry maladjusted adults who enjoy the kind of power over others that can only be had at such institutions.


And Dahl was one of the luckier ones, a child of relatively rich parents. Compare to Orwell's seriously darker experience as a scholarship student: https://www.george-orwell.org/Such,_Such_Were_The_Joys/0.htm...


Is this still pretty much the case or are you aware of changes? My wife went to a boarding school for the last 3 years of high school (late 90's) and it was an overwhelmingly positive experience for her.

[edit] I went to college at a military-style school and I recall that there was an explicit prohibition against Personal Servitude. We always wondered what happened in the past to make that a rule that everyone knew about.


In the U.K., the final change was around the turn of the millennium - it happened while I was there - we were the “lucky” ones who were brutalised but never permitted to brutalise in our turn. Actually, I am grateful for that as I find it hard enough to live with myself as it is.

There’s also a profound difference in what it does to you when you start at six versus sixteen - many of the old etonians cited went through the preparatory school system, as did I.


This was in the late 1960s through late 1970s (so quite a while ago), and I don't have any more recent info.


Roald Dahl also recounts that he was considered insufficiently brutal by the higher-ups and that that was regrettable, considering his other qualities. He never was advanced to prefect.


Back in the early 90s there was a famous quote going around about British "public" (what in the US we call private schools).

A UK citizen was kidnapped by a group in the middle east and spent several months in captivity.

After describing how bad the treatment was, he was asked: "How did you make it through?"

His answer: "Well, I went to a British public boarding school so by comparison, the captivity wasn't so bad"


Ironically that was one of the aims of public school education. They educated the officers and managers of the Empire who had to fend for themselves among "the natives" with a limited number of men and resources.


How old are you? I went to a posh boarding school in the early 2000s and there were many things wrong with it, but it wasn't nearly as brutal as you describe. Other pupils did unpleasant things to me (and I to them) but it was mostly just testosterone-fueled adolescent stupidity that I'm sure happens at less privileged schools too.

I imagine things were worse in the past though, see e.g. the notorious practice of "fagging" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging


As I understand it, the Childrens Act of 1989 had a huge effect on how these places were run. It took a while for the law to filter out into practice so people who went to private / boarding / posh state schools in the 90s experienced a gradually toned down version.

I suspect that in the early years, when physical punishment was banned, the psychological stuff amped up a bit.

Even at a state school in the 90s, some things we thought were normal would be shocking and absolutely a child protection issue these days.


I was surprised to learn recently that corporal punishment wasn't banned in British state schools until 1987, and in private schools until 1999.

"Surprised" because by 1999 I'd been attending a British private school for several years and corporal punishment certainly didn't exist at my school, or at any school I knew about. Apparently it was permitted on paper though. I'm not sure how common it still was, if it existed at all.

In any case, the worst treatment I received at school was never from the staff and always from the other boys. I can definitely think of some behaviour I saw from pupils back in the day that I'm sure wouldn't be tolerated for a second these days.


History is shorter than we think.

In the US, I have relatives that were locked in closets by teachers and had their knuckles rapped for using their left hands.

A combination of factors (cameras and modern communications systems being two significant ones) have shone a lot of light into what used to be very dark corners.


I went to school from in Scotland about 1970 to 1983 - without much difficulty I can think of quite a few situations that I would hope would result in sacking and criminal charges these days.

Being a bright kid and usually "teachers pet" I didn't get too much abuse directly but I can remember one poor guy who clearly had learning difficulties getting his face smashed repeatedly slammed into the blackboard by a teacher - we were about 6 at the time. :-(


My PE teacher locked me in a closet and had the other boys beat me because I was bad at cricket. This was in around 1990 ish.

This was a comprehensive school in the north west, working class area.

The corruption ran deep.

When I told my parents they didn’t believe me and said I was exaggerating.

He was a bully who lots of kids hated.

He ended up with cancer and there was a whole fundraiser for him etc which I refused to contribute to which was a bit petty.

And then as Mark Twain didn’t say ‘I’ve never wished death upon someone but I have read some obituaries with more pleasure than others!’


I went to a British private school in the late 80s and I distinctly remember a teacher saying:

"While we don't believe in its application at this school, it is perfectly legal for us to use corporal punishment if we so choose."

This was to a class of 10 year olds.


40. I had the misfortune of getting the worst of both worlds.

Prep school, from 6-12 was a nightmarish place where it was still 1935 - masters from my time there are now in prison with good reason. Corporal punishment was a daily fact of life - a caning was a relief compared to some of the options.

Secondary school - in the shell, we were made to fag, and prefects were permitted to issue corporal punishment, which happened frequently. Nothing testosterone-fuelled about it - cold and calculating. “You will convene at 5am at the oaks in full uniform”, and then whatever horrors they could come up with. Ski squats that would go on for hours. Standing outside at night in soaked clothing. The occasional good old fashioned beating. In my remove year it was decided that shells were too young for the heavy duty of fagging and it could be damaging to them - so the removes did it. In the fifth form they abandoned fagging and replaced it with “fifth form house duties”.

You learned to live under utterly arbitrary rules.

By the time we were in the sixth, duties were phased out and replaced with hired staff, and corporal punishment - in fact any prefect-meted punishment whatsoever - was banned in response to an incident involving cricket bats that resulted in a pupil being hospitalised for quite some time. Well, that and the law finally mandated it.

My kid brother went there, starting a year after I left, and had a markedly different experience. En-suite showers! We had a frigid communal shower for my first two years, never mind en-suite. It’s like we went there a century apart.

That all said, by the time I was at secondary school it was all old hat - there was a marked difference between the boys who started boarding with secondary school and those who had been through prep school - we were the wise old hands, the lifers, the ones who knew the grift. Prep school, I find it hard to talk about.

Turns out there’s a term for this stuff - “Boarding School Syndrome”.


Haha, I'm pretty sure I know which school you went to. Not many places have year groups called "shell" and "remove".

Rah rah.


Mandatory military service did that to whole generation of young men almost everywhere where it was, certainly in eastern europe. 2 years, older were punishing younger, by the time younger were older they were part of the system. From time to time somebody died, lifelong traumas were frequent.

Its still present ie in modern day russia, from what I read about it still much much worse than elsewhere. IIRC around 500 die there annually, everybody knows it, nobody does anything I guess to 'man-up' when its actually 'fuck-up'. Its sadly a broken place beyond any hope for repair, at least in this century.


I can agree that there are many similar impacts, but mandatory military service doesn’t start at six years old, whereas the British boarding school process does.


Reminds me of Ender's Game.


Pretty much so, and that's intentional.

My English teacher was a huge arsehole and great anglophile. He would throw the well-known phrases around like "sail a convict ship to Australia with a crew of ten", "the war was won on the playing fields of Eton" & so on.


The documentary Tomkinson's Schooldays falls short but perhaps come closer than any other.


I went to a public school and apart from fairly liberal detention-giving, it wasn’t ‘bad’ at all


You were born in 1994.




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