I made no claims about biology or hormones, or my personal position for that matter — I simply stated that there is a trans ideology, and it goes beyond didibus' "Either you think... Or you think..." statement.
You were using the term "trans ideology" with the claim the left sees a persons self-declaration of wanting to transition as someone "being" a women.
I said two things:
1. If a man does hormone therapy they are biologically transitioning towards a woman, this is e.g. why they can give breast milk. In biology a sex isn't always as clear cut as many believe and there exists ample scientific research on the topic, so this isn't the topic of our discussion.
2. With the biology out of the way, what remains is the question of the gender — the social, societal and mental role of what it means to "be" a woman. And obviously like with any role people can have different ideas of what it includes and what it excludes. What the left does is simply to say: "Fuck those social constructs, they don't help us, if someone wants to be a woman they are a woman", while the more conservative type might have very specific (bit in the face of history: arbitrary) ideas on what a "true" woman looks like, behaves like, is like.
The conservative definition of the gender roles we have a net-negative effect in our society. And that goes for men as well. So many "real" men, that immitate what they think "makes a man" — because of fear that they are not they fail their loved ones and they fail themselves. They confuse acting strong with being strong, while the strong (=harder to do) thing would be to confront your own weaknesses.
So if trans-ideology simply means not taking those roles seriously I am on board. If it means something else I am all ears.
I do find it strange to call it an "ideology", but I guess if you want to say that.
It still seems to me it's just debating the idea that people who want to dress, act, and be treated differently than their birth sex should be allowed to do so or not.
I guess you can say that's an ideology, because it's an ideal societal reality that is being advocated for, to allow for this behavior and socially accept it.
But I don't see what you find goes beyond this?
Problem: Someone would prefer to be treated like society treats woman, including being referred too as one.
