"Success is the ability to move from one failure to another without loss of enthusiasm" - Winston Churchill.

If she keeps at it, she will do a successful product, too.

That only works if you learn from the failures. Hopefully the reasons grove.io failed are obvious enough.

It's sarcasm mixed with caremad.

I was a huge fan of Pownce, Motion, LeafyChat, Baconfile, Convore, and Grove. All failed.

I was really hoping this one would work, but after seeing no improvements in a year, it became obvious it wouldn't. :(

It's frustrating to see products die from what seems like as an outsider as attention rot. Then again, I completely understand moving on if an idea doesn't stick.

Yeah, Convore was fun. I'm sad it went away. (Not caremad, though - thanks, Kenneth; urbandictionary owes you a page hit today.)

But huge props to Leah for keeping at it... I'm disappointed at the haters on this thread taking personal pot-shots, instead of recognizing that her record shows an admirable perseverance and a true passion for building better messaging technology.

Would like your opinion: do you think this is still a viable opportunity- serving this niche? (paid team chat)

..or is Campfire/HipChat/whatever-else-is-left "good enough" to make it not worthwhile?

Hosted IRC is an awkward place to be.

Those that don't give a fuck are using Campfire/HipChat.

Those that do give a fuck are usually hosting their own IRC.

Find a way to squeeze out both and you have a potentially nice business model. (Hosted IRC + nice web clients for paying customers?)

I was a paying customer. I had other shit to deal with than setting up an IRC server with robust logging, and it worked well enough for our team (except the random disconnects).

I guess we'll be looking at hipchat and some of the other alternatives posted here.