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Its baffling that you think the collapse of the USD would have no negative ramifications on the rest of the world...


> Its baffling that you think the collapse of the USD would have no negative ramifications on the rest of the world.

Empires rise and fall, pax Americana was not the world's first hegemony. The end of the British Empire is within living memory - while they sowed seeds of instability in a handful of former colonies that still flare up today, the rest of the world is fine. Britain, on the other hand, has had to enter a "managed decline", and is a much smaller player in world politics than it was a century ago.


If you think the US is going to decline slowly, fade into history and not try to go out with a bang, I guess that is certainly one world view!


What do you think the US is going to do for that bang? How could a bang ever bring the wealth and peace that its prior friendship with allies brought?

The US doesn't have the cards to play, because the current US Government doesn't even understand where the wealth has come from. That US Government has risen to power by tricking the public into thinking that the very things that make the US wealthy and powerful are actually a scam making them poorer.

The current US Government has already broken the trust that makes the US strong. The repercussions will take years to become fully visible, and without immediate course correction those future repercussions will get far far worse.


> What do you think the US is going to do for that bang?

Literally a bang.

Or many bangs. The largest military in human history going YOLO won’t be a pretty sight. (The only way it sucks more in America than it does abroad is if we go civil war. But even then, it’s almost certain to go global.)


> How could a bang ever bring the wealth and peace that its prior friendship with allies brought?

It won't.


Is that “bang” Mutually Assured Destruction?


The world wasn't globalized then. It's quite literally, an entire new world today. The collapse of the US will touch every corner of the world.


> The world wasn't globalized then

This may be recency bias. The current age just has more immediate, global communications. "The sun never sets on the British empire" had a literal meaning based on how globalized it was then. They even laid intercontinental undersea cables.


The negative ramifications seem to be better than being invaded by the US or having regional entities invaded by the US, and the ensuing instability as a result.

If its going to be like this the rest of the world might as well cut its losses


You seem to have a very limited view of the world if you think the US doesn't have fans of totalitarian rule and that the "rest of the world" is exclusively against US global strategy. I am going to guess that you actually have no idea what the negative ramifications of the collapse of a currency that underpins the foundations of our world are, because it is something that is near impossible to predict.

I agree that at some point, governments and people will need to step up and fight back, but the idea that the US will somehow fall in a vacuum and everyone else will live happily ever after is laughable.


  the US will somehow fall in a vacuum and everyone else will live happily ever after is laughable.
If enough countries collectively decide to not export to the US, it's game over. See Cuba as an example.

Not everything is a movie with a final battle. Alternatives are found and adopted all the time without violent strife.


A reminder the insatiable appetite of the American consumer is a big part of what props up a lot of other economies.


Every consumer is insatiable. Americans have (had?) powerful money that allows them to push the limit.


IT will be painful, but we (the rest of the world) will weather the storm, and come out to a brighter and cleaner world. The greatest con the US pulled was to scare the rest of the world of being bullied by powerful fascist nations whilst becoming the most powerful fascist bully.


It will suck, and then it will get better.


Yes but you have a) no idea how bad the suck will be b) no idea how long the suck will last and c) what the "better" will look like.

I am not advocating that the status quo should go on, I am just saying that the repercussions will be vast and long lasting, likely resulting in a world war, and whatever follows after that(if anything).




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