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I don't get what's so user-hostile about Android. Everything negative about the ecosystem is mostly Google Play and the legacy of every OEM forking Android for the better part of a decade. Sure, file pickers are inconsistent, filesystem is chaotic but it's performing quite well on most hardware, runs on phones, TVs, laptops, tablets and mini PCs and AOSP doesn't contain any hooks for Google to siphon off data. GrapheneOS isn't so much undoing evil Google stuff but extending upon their work and improving memory protection and adds security features that can be easily toggled based on assumed threat models of the user.

Google's ownership of Android is definitely headed towards user hostility though, I'm not arguing against that. But just the source that GrapheneOS is based off of doesn't contain too much stuff that shouldn't be there, to my knowledge.

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>I don't get what's so user-hostile about Android.

How about the fact that you can't install applications without having a google account. Right from the get go, it isn't a serious OS.


That's strange, I don't need one to install from FDroid or GitHub Store or Firefox. You need one for Play Store but you don't have to use that.

I don't have a Google account. No idea what you're on about, tbh.

I used to not use one either, and used Aurora Store for certain apps. But at some point, my bank's app stopped working if I installed it from Aurora Store, and would only work from the play store. Since then I've seen a lot more apps that work this way.

Well, banks will do bank things. Still not a general Android issue, righ? Though I wish the attestation would just check if the bootloader is locked and if there's no root. Then there wouldn't be an issue with ChatGTP, banking apps, some stupid airline apps that don't work on GrapheneOS.



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