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If we accept the Church-Turing thesis, a philosopher can be simulated by a simple Universal Turing machine.

If one day we are able to create a philosopher from such a rudimentary machine (and a lot of tape), would you consider that very much towards the "rock" end as well?

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Can a Turing machine of any sort truly indistinguishably simulate a nondeterministic system?

If a Turing machine can truly simulate a full nondeterministic system as complex as a philosopher but it would take dedicating every gram of matter in the visible universe for a trillion years to simulate one second, is this meaningfully different than saying it cannot?

I suggest the answer to both questions are no, but the second one makes the answer at worst "practically, no".

My feeling is that consciousness is a phenomenon deeply connected to quantum mechanics and thus evades simulation or recreation on Turing machines.


I am not following what we are talking about here. I am a basic human being, I cannot truly simulate a nondeterministic system. Does it mean “I am not thinking”?

You are claiming that intelligence and even consciousness are non-deterministic entties at core. This is a huge claim and requires incredible proof.



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