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(Shrug) I can point to outraged people "speaking up" about everything from global warming to Jar-Jar Binks. It doesn't prove much, except that some people enjoy a good bout of outrage.

The scientists in the article I linked, on the other hand, aren't speaking up about anything, because they're all dead.



You're implying that because the women you picked didn't speak up and just did their work, that somehow that is the model all women should follow (because Science, apparently). Yet you provide no evidence that they were not affected by attitudes toward women. Just because they did not speak up does not imply there were no negative effects of contemporary attitudes toward women. On the other hand, I have evidence that researchers are affected by it.


Yet you provide no evidence that they were not affected by attitudes toward women.

The New York Times Magazine article is pretty long, it'll take you a few minutes to read it. I'll wait.

Short version: they suffered real discrimination, which you've diminished by comparing it to the use of Lenna.jpg in a graphics project.


Fine, I didn't read it. What is your point? That just because something is worse for one person that we should ignore problems affecting another? That someone else has suffered in the past is not a reason to give up improving the status quo today.




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